CwL Ep105: Discover Human Design with Karly Nimmo

If you haven’t yet discovered the wild world of Human Design, this podcast episode is going to blow your mind!

Lisa interviews her friend Karly Nimmo on what Human Design is and delves into the different types. 

For Lisa, learning that she is a Manifestor in Human Design has been life-changing. Beyond anything you’ll ever learn about yourself in a personality test – this is a path to recognising and celebrating your uniqueness like no other!

Dive in and learn about Human Design and enjoy this illuminating conversation. 

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Lisa Corduff:

Hey, it’s Lisa Corduff. Welcome to the podcast where you can expect inspiring, raw, energising, and transformative conversations with people on the path of personal evolution. I’m here to really live my life, and if you are too, these conversations are just for you. I’m really glad you’re here. Enjoy.

Lisa Corduff:

Well, it’s been a while since I’ve done a podcast with Karly, Karly Nimmo. I mean, there’s been a lot that we’ve done over the years.

Karly Nimmo:

Yes, there has.

Lisa Corduff:

Welcome to this podcast. I don’t know if you’ve ever been on Conversations.

Karly Nimmo:

No, I haven’t. I’ve been on the other iterations of this so I’m probably in the back catalogue somewhere.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, you definitely are. I mean, we had our own podcast.

Karly Nimmo:

We did have our own podcast.

Lisa Corduff:

Then, I mean, you’re the reason I got started in podcasting because that’s what … you help people start podcasts, but you also do other things, and I really want us to jump into that today, because I keep on referencing Human Design. I know that there’s people who are starting to ask me about or there’s people in my … if I mention it on a post on socials it would be like, “What is this thing? How do I find out what I am?” So, you have been deep diving into Human Design for what? Three years? Four years?

Karly Nimmo:

Four and a half.

Lisa Corduff:

It’s so funny because it’s one of those things, don’t you reckon, where it’s like, “I just need to know your date of birth.” People are like, “Bang, what is this airy-fairy thing?”

Karly Nimmo:

Totally.

Lisa Corduff:

I think I resisted it for a long time because of that because I’m like, “Oh, well, is it astrology? I don’t get it. It just seems a little bit too airy-fairy for me. Where is the science vibe?” But, oh, my God, literally everyone who has ever found out their Human Design is literally mind-blown. So, can you tell everyone, well, I mean, you can say hello.

Karly Nimmo:

Hello. Hi, everyone.

Lisa Corduff:

Who is this person? But, I guess, how you got interested in Human Design, and what it actually is.

Karly Nimmo:

Okay. So, I did, I remember pulling a chart, probably over a decade ago because I’ve always been interested in … well, that was when I pulled a chart, and it made no sense. I was looking at this picture with a whole lot of shapes on it, something that said I was a Projector, a couple of numbers with … it just made no sense whatsoever. When you pull a chart, it doesn’t, it’s just like this completely abstract thing, and I think that’s … and so I just went, “Oh, that’s interesting,” but I’ve got no idea what this is about so get rid of it. Then I’ve always been interested in things that allow me to get a greater understanding of who I am, and I’ve always been interested in figuring out what I’m here for, and all that jazz, and just understanding myself better was really what drew me to it.

Karly Nimmo:

But, actually that didn’t really happen until I had this totally random experience. I was in one of the Facebook Groups that we used to inhabit a lot, a B school community one, and someone had put out that their mom was really sick, and they needed to find a mobile hairdresser. My cousin happens to be a mobile hairdresser, and she is just an all-round superstar woman, and she was mobile, and she was in the same area. So, I hooked them up, and the mom ended up passing away, but the daughter was just so grateful because my cousin had brought so much sunshine into her last days, and made her feel really special. So to thank me for being kind and connecting them, she said, “I’d really love to do a Human Design reading for you. Are you open to it?” I was like, “Sure, I’m open to anything really.”

Karly Nimmo:

I went along to it, and as a Projector, might I just point out, that I will dig further into this, that I was recognised for something nice that I had done, and invited to have a reading. So that is correct for me, to be recognised and invited, that’s actually my strategy, so it worked. By the time we had the reading, I am a first line, which means that I’m an investigator, and I just went about consuming everything I could about Human Design that was free on the internet, or that I could find on podcast. At the time there was no podcast really, there was a couple of interviews, and that was a bit with a dude called Chetan Parkyn, and that was about it. I was like, “Hmm, interesting. This stuff is really fascinating.” So I had the reading, it just changed my perspective on myself. I could finally see that I wasn’t a complete fuck up, and that I wasn’t a total failure, and that life … It just made sense to me why things hadn’t always worked out for me.

Karly Nimmo:

It helped me to really reframe how I saw myself, but also accept all these things that I thought were wrong about me. Then life just kind of got a little bit easier, and a little bit easier after that. It didn’t mean that life wasn’t throwing me just a complete shit show, because it has continued to throw some pretty major stuff my way, but it’s just changed my relationship with myself. When we change our relationship with ourselves, everything changes, the way we handle those shit shows life throws at us, changes.

Lisa Corduff:

Just a level of self-acceptance.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, right.

Lisa Corduff:

Like, “Oh, okay. So if this is why I react like this, it’s not me being bad. It’s not a result of this or that.” It’s just like, “Oh, that’s a part of my design, so how can I help that work best for me?” I think when I discovered mine, because we’ve all done personality tests, and we’ve all done what sort of this am I?

Karly Nimmo:

The love language, and the ENT, whatever, and the Myer-Briggs or … I think that’s the same thing.

Lisa Corduff:

Myers-Briggs, yeah.

Karly Nimmo:

The enneagram, and you know-

Lisa Corduff:

Yes, all of that stuff, and it’s all-

Karly Nimmo:

Fascination tests. I’ve done everything.

Lisa Corduff:

Right, and I’ve done most of them too, and they all … and there’s always insights that you take out, and they’re interesting, but there is nothing as comprehensive as I think our Human Design. I still don’t even pretty much understand 80% of my stuff. I understand the major things, and for me, it’s actually, it’s changed the way that I, same as you, relate to myself and accept myself. But also, how I’m going to do business moving forward, giving me an understanding of why things in my personal life have sort of happened in a certain way, or why I get frustrated at myself for having to wait for things to feel right, but then when I do it just happens so fast, but I can get really annoyed at myself and it’s like, “Oh.”

Lisa Corduff:

Since I discovered I was a Manifestors, which, I think, when I say that word out loud, people think it means I’m someone who can manifest. We’re all Manifestors, but it’s an actual word in Human Design, and having you to be able to be like, “Lisa, that’s you and your blah, blah, blah.” I’ll be like, “Karly, why? Why? Why am I doing this? Karly, why? I don’t know what to do.” “Well, what would work best for your design is blah, blah, or do you realise that you feel heavy because of blah, blah?” When I found all of that stuff out, it’s like a revolution in my head, it’s actually like freedom.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, total liberation, that’s how it’s felt for me.

Lisa Corduff:

Total liberation, yes. I want everyone to know about Human Design like, “Lisa’s on a bit of a tangent. Lisa’s learning about this.

Karly Nimmo:

Which I love, which I’m here for, because as a Projector, my last four and a half years has been, “Would you mind if I just got your birth details so I can,” and then an onslaught of 31-minute messages in Instagram with all this stuff, which is completely uninvited, and won’t land at all, and it’s a complete waste of energy for me. But anyway, I’ve spent the last four years experimenting with it through that, like pushing it onto people unwanted, but then here comes a Manifestors with a spark, ready to light people up, which is what you do, you initiate change, and so now it’s not such a waste of energy.

Lisa Corduff:

Yes, I’m like, “Karly, Karly, we need to talk about this thing,” and you’re like, “Okay, I’ve been waiting.” So, okay, so people are going to be like, “Okay, what the heck are they talking about? Why are they using these different words?” Firstly, how do people find their own Human Design, and can you just give a bit of a rundown of the major, of the five … it’s five, isn’t it? Types.

Karly Nimmo:

It’s actually four, and a subtype. Okay, so the way you find your Human Design out, it requires you to know a little bit about your birth details, the more accurate the time, the more accurate your birth chart will be, because it is based in astrology. There is some woo elements to this, but it’s so in depth and complex that it’s just like, “Whoa, there’s a lot to it.” The more correct birth details you have, the more correct the information will be. Essentially all you need to do is go to Jovian Archive, you can just Google it, and there’s a little option that says, “Get your free chart.” You don’t have to put in … it’s not an opt-in or anything like that, you just have to put your birth details in there, and it will give you this chart. When you get that chart you’ll probably be like, “Well, that’s great.”

Lisa Corduff:

What does this mean?

Karly Nimmo:

“What the hell does this mean?” Then, Google is your friend, on that front, you can book a reading with someone who knows it because.

Lisa Corduff:

Yes, I recommend you to every single person.

Karly Nimmo:

But I do also have free resources, Rock Your Mic Right was a podcast I did about podcasting, and I did a season around Human Design. Once you’ve got your chart, if you aren’t in the position to get a reading yet, then that would be a really good place to start to learn, to understand what the basics are, but essentially there’s four different types.

Karly Nimmo:

You have Generators, Generators are made up of Generators, but also manifesting Generators, so that’s like that subtype, which makes a fifth type, but it’s not really, they’re a Generator. Generators are 70% of the population, they’re like the worker bees, and I don’t mean that in a diminishing sense like we’re all robots going off to our nine to five, to sit in a cubicle and work our guts out for the rest of our lives kind of thing. That’s not what I mean by a worker bee. You’re here … If you think about a bee, they all have a role in building life on the planet, sustaining life on the planet is the role of the bee. They’re here to pollinate. They’re living their lives in response to what’s around them, and building something, nurturing and sustaining life. They’re floating around, and they’re here really to go, “Oh, that’s a pretty flower, let me go down and explore that.” So that Generator really is here to create, they’re the creators, a really, really important role.

Karly Nimmo:

I don’t want any Generator to get disappointed when they find out they’re a Generator because they’re not special, because you are so special, without you life on this planet doesn’t exist because the other types, like Lisa, I, and the Reflector, we don’t have the same level of energy that you all have, and that energy is so important to-

Lisa Corduff:

I would love some of that energy.

Karly Nimmo:

Me too. Oh, my God. Wouldn’t you just kill someone to be able to go to bed and wake up refreshed?

Lisa Corduff:

For me, it’s always been looking at the people who … as someone who’s built her own business, I could never do the doing, all the doing.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, all the doing.

Lisa Corduff:

I couldn’t do it, and I have been hard on myself because I don’t know how to do all the things in my business. I outsourced that stuff, which when you learn about my design, makes sense why I did, but oh, man, I flake out. I’m like, “I’m done here with this.” A bit of Generator vibe would really be helpful.

Karly Nimmo:

Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, 100%. The thing with the Generator-

Lisa Corduff:

The world is built for Generators.

Karly Nimmo:

Right, it is. It is, and the other 30% of us are just trying to keep up.

Lisa Corduff:

We end up entrepreneurs because we can’t fit in that mould.

Karly Nimmo:

Exactly. Exactly. For sure. The thing about Generators is that like … it’s just such an important role, but it’s also really, really important that Generators are feeling good, because satisfaction is their theme to show them that they’re on track, so when they’re feeling satisfied … It’s interesting, because whenever I speak to a Generator, they’ve got all these really huge plans of what they want to achieve, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but when I ask them the question about what feels satisfying to them, it’s often really interesting things like, you know what feels real is being in the kitchen, looking after my family’s needs.

Karly Nimmo:

I asked Mico, my husband’s a manifesting Generator, he works in disability support, and I asked him what he finds satisfying. He finds satisfying, going out with his crew, mowing a lawn, and then finishing and looking at the lawn and going, “Oh, what a great job I just did,” like, “Look at my hard work. I can see the fruits of my labour. I’ve put in my energy and I’ve created something, and yeah, I know I’m going to have to go back and mow it in a few weeks,” but it’s satisfying to finish, and to complete a job for a Generator. There’s a really good-

Lisa Corduff:

I think the idea that jobs are ever completed is strange for me.

Karly Nimmo:

Classic Manifestors, “All right, you guys clean up the mess. See you.”

Lisa Corduff:

Totally. Ah, Generators.

Karly Nimmo:

The Generator, and Generators are generally really warm and welcoming, they’re very nurturing kind of people, which is … and they’re magnetic. So they’re going to be attracting people to them all the time, and opportunities to them, where the other 30%, sometimes we can feel a bit on the outside because we’re not, it is hard for us to keep up with a Generator. So that’s the Generator, and the manifesting Generator. The manifesting Generator is still a Generator, but I think of it like in Bee Movie, because I always use all these garden analogies for Generators, but in Bee Movie they put on like the little booster packs.

Lisa Corduff:

Yes.

Karly Nimmo:

That’s kind of like the manifesting Generator, you take a Generator and then you give it a little line of MDMA, and then you’re like a manifesting Generator. They’re buzzing a lot higher, and they’re busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, that’s the manifesting Generator. That’s correct for them, providing, again, that it’s not frustrating them, that it’s feeling satisfying, then … They’ve got this endless resource, all Generators have this endless resource of life force energy to put into things, to put into growing things, but most of them, this is the problem, most of them are not following their strategy and authority, so they’re not responding. They’re trying to initiate, they’re trying to be a Manifestors, and they’re wasting a lot of energy. So they are putting their energy into things where they’re not really in response in the correct way, and so then they get really frustrated because the work that they’re putting into things isn’t being recognised, and it’s not being appreciated, and that can be really frustrating or it’s just not working, and that can be really frustrating.

Karly Nimmo:

So, really important for Generators to be tending to their own garden, looking after their own needs, making sure their cup is full before … that serving from the overflow, very true for a Generator, making sure that you are feeling satisfied doing what you love, not just tending to everybody else’s needs.

Lisa Corduff:

I’m just thinking of some of the Generators I know, and it’s true. You can see how it would get heavy to be having all this energy and putting it into things, and then that not going to things that give them satisfaction. I mean, hello, human population right now.

Karly Nimmo:

Oh, hello, yeah, and most mothers.

Lisa Corduff:

That’s what I’m hearing too, is that there’s this lack of appreciation. We’ve just passed Mother’s Day, and there’s all these Generator mothers who are just like, “I can go, go, go, go, go for my family, but yet no one’s actually appreciating.”

Karly Nimmo:

Right, who’s there to … Right, like, “Why am I getting up and having to make my own freaking cup of tea in the morning, and make my own, and everyone else’s breakfast on Mother’s Day?”know? It’s like, “Yeah.” There’s a lot of things I could say about that, putting some boundaries, blah, blah, blah, but also, it is your nature to want to nurture. For me, I am like an entitled queen in some ways, and so there is no way in hell that I am not getting out of bed without someone bringing me a cup of tea. I just make that the rule around my house, because if not, no one wants to be around bitter Karly, trust me, so make the cup of tea.

Lisa Corduff:

So talk to us about Projectors.

Karly Nimmo:

So Projectors are 20% of the population loosely, and we are the guides. We can see everyone running around, wasting their energy, their precious energy, and we are so desperate to tell you how to conserve that energy, but without an invite, it just falls on deaf ears, and it’s super painful. Projectors often have a lot of stuff around rejection, because we know how inherently wise we are, we know we can see better ways to do things, but unless it’s invited out of us, it really is wasting energy that we don’t have to … We just get all bitter, and give advice that doesn’t get taken on, and we’re like, “Oh, yeah, hello, told you so. I knew that was going to happen.” But obviously that’s not great energy to be bringing to life, “Told you so, ha-ha.” It’s not like that, but it’s actually heartbreaking when you know you could do something to help someone, and it’s clear that there’s no recognition.

Karly Nimmo:

Projectors can have a lot of stuff around feeling invisible, feeling unseen, feeling unacknowledged, but when, when we are, when we are acknowledged, and when our guidance is invited, we can change everything for everyone around us. It’s transformative. We can see more efficient ways to do things. We’re masters of systems, hence being so into Human Design, it’s like a system that I can never get to the bottom of. So, if you want really good guidance, seek out a Projector.

Karly Nimmo:

Our thing is success, so when we are aligned, the Generator feels satisfied, and the Projector feels successful. There is a lot … The thing about the Projector is, the Projector is here, we exist for other people, so we are here, we experience life through others. So, that can mean things can be quite personal for a Projector because we are taking in the people. When we’re looking at someone, we’re taking in their energy, and so it can be a really painful trip, but it also can be … A Projector in success, there’s nothing quite like it, it’s an amazing feeling to be a Projector that feels seen and valued. There’s nothing more transformational from the other’s perspective too, because we can, we can really guide, that’s what we’re here to do, guide the energy, so that’s the Projector.

Karly Nimmo:

Then you have the Manifestors, which is you, and you are 9% of the population roughly, and you guys are the fire starters, you are here to ignite things. So where Generators have this warm enveloping aura, Projectors are penetrative, so it can feel like we’re burrowing a hole into your soul sometimes, and quite intense. A Projector’s energy can be quite intense, which is why we need an invitation, because when we have yeah, when we have an invitation, then that energy is welcomed, right?

Lisa Corduff:

Yes.

Karly Nimmo:

Otherwise-

Lisa Corduff:

And that’s where it’s transformative because it’s always intense.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, it is. It is, and then the Manifestors is repelling, which sounds like … whenever a Manifestors finds out that their aura is repelling it can kind of be like, “Oh, well, great, so I’m like repulsive or something.” But it’s actually built in to move people out of the way, so that you can get what you need to do done, and what you are here to do is to light the match. When it comes to any project, or anything you’re doing in life, you’re just here to ignite it. You’re just here to start, to initiate, and to inform, not to seek permission, but to say, “This is what I’m doing.”

Karly Nimmo:

It’s really interesting because for Manifestors, I find, at first, I was so triggered by the fact you were a Manifestors, and anyone I knew who was a Manifestors I was like, “Oh, my God, they’re always so successful. Everything just works for them.” When you used to say, “I’m going to get 500 people into this programme,” and I’d be like, “Oh, my God, she fucking will too,” and you did. You were always like, “Guess what? I’ve got 500,” I’d be like, “Oh, my God ” So it can be really triggering.

Lisa Corduff:

I don’t know how, I don’t even know how it happened, and you’re like, “Yes, you do. Why don’t you?” Everyone’s like, “Give me the formula.” So then I start trying to teach people how to create video because I’m like, “I think maybe that’s what’s working.” So I create a course to teach people how to do video because they’re like, “Tell me how you do it. Tell me how you do it,” and I’ve literally never known.

Karly Nimmo:

No, because it’s just your energy. It’s just your energy, that’s what it’s here to do, it’s here to impact. Manifestor’s energy aura is repelling because it’s here to impact people, it’s here to move them, and not necessarily out of the way, but towards something. This is the thing, often I see Manifestors in coaching environments, which it’s kind of funny to me, because you are not here to hold hands forever. You’re here to ignite the change, and then let them go about and create the change, but we’re so … This is the thing, Manifestors are so often, so deeply conditioned, especially when they’re women, because we weren’t even allowed to have bank accounts until my lifetime pretty much, so it’s like … Being a woman and telling the world how it is, or being a young girl and having this energy that can just make shit happen, highly triggering to the people around you.

Lisa Corduff:

It was always … I’m glad I went to a school where it was celebrated, and there was a space for it, but certainly at home it was like enough, like quiet-

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, too much, too much.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, it’s like, “Come on, we don’t want,” it was-

Karly Nimmo:

Don’t be too big, stay humble, blah, blah, blah.

Lisa Corduff:

Stay humble.

Karly Nimmo:

And it’s like-

Lisa Corduff:

Stay humble all the time.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah.

Lisa Corduff:

I don’t think that that was necessarily a problem, because I don’t see myself as … well, it was just more that the having a voice that’s saying something was always who I was, but it wasn’t actually seen as anything. If you had asked me when I was a kid, “What do you want to do?” I’d just be like, “Oh, it’d be amazing, imagine being a motivational speaker,” or something. But that wasn’t actually a thing, so you’ve got to go find something to do with your life. Then, it became very obvious that working in environments where I’m being told what to do, I would just-

Karly Nimmo:

Not for you.

Lisa Corduff:

It was the worst. I was not a nice … I was not a good Lisa, and also, then starting a PhD. I like research. I like learning. I like academia for lots of reasons, but sticking with something for three years, and trying to maintain my interest, and it not being something I could bounce off or … I was so down on myself for quitting that thing, because that’s what success would look like, would be getting, “They’ve offered you a scholarship, you should do it,” but I just couldn’t. So, I was down on myself for not being a good employee, for not being successful, for not following through on things, when really it was never going to be my thing.

Karly Nimmo:

Right, and then you found your own groove in the entrepreneurial space where you could just be who you are, and initiate, and impact, and inform, and play out your design, and then boom, everything just kind of … well, not just boom, everything just kind of like, “Whoa, what a fairytale from that moment.”

Lisa Corduff:

Wow, it’s just been like-

Karly Nimmo:

Easy straight, so easy.

Lisa Corduff:

The icing on a cake. It’s just been like sweetness all the way. No, it absolutely hasn’t, but also because I can get caught up in doing things in my business that don’t necessarily serve that side to me, which is something that I think a lot of people do, they think there’s one model, there’s one way to do things in our space, and there’s absolutely not.

Karly Nimmo:

No, and particularly not for a Manifestors. A Manifestors is here to do themselves in terms, that sounds a bit funny, but just … to do themselves sounds funny. Anyway, but they’re here to do things in their own way, and to pave their own path, and to not conform, but to find ways that work for them as the individual that they are. They’re really paving new paths and new frontiers, and having a movement and stuff, all of that stuff is really powerful for a Manifestors, getting very connected to what your values are, and really being in them. So that’s the Manifestors, and the Manifestors has … we all have that success kind of theme, and for a Manifestors it is anger or peace. When they’re feeling peaceful then that’s when, that’s their sign post that everything is good, “I’m feeling peaceful.”

Karly Nimmo:

So, then you have the Reflector, and the Reflector is a rare breed, 1% of the population. I have a couple of Reflector friends, they are like intergalactic beings, they actually … All of us have an inner authority, a way that we make a decision, and it varies on our type and who we are, for a Reflector, they don’t, their whole strategy is to wait for a lunar cycle. They have to wait for the transits to move through the sky every 28 days to come to clarity, and they’re here to reflect the health of the community back to them. They play a really vital role, and their theme is disappointment and surprise. Disappointment happens when they make decisions based on where they are in a particular moment, but not taking into consideration that who they are today is a different person than they’ll be tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day. They need to give themselves a full lunar cycle to come to clarity to make decisions.

Karly Nimmo:

We all have different authorities, so mine is splenic, it’s here in the moment, it’s just like a little whisper. It’s like an intuitive knowing. For you, it’s emotional so it means sitting with your feelings for however long it takes to move through your wave, and find clarity over time. If there is no clarity, it’s not a yes yet until you find the … I know, so annoying, people, they’re here to make a decision in the moment, a yes or no that’s based on their gut. Some people are designed to talk things out and hear their voice, not take on advice, but hear what they’re saying back, like sound boarding, they need a soundboard. So we’re all built completely different in the way that we operate, the way that we interact.

Karly Nimmo:

In Human Design, we’re almost like … it’s like a puzzle and we’re all pieces of this puzzle, and we all fit in to help each other, and we all have a role to play, but the problem is, most of us are not even aware of our Human Design. We’ve been deeply conditioned, particularly people who aren’t Generators, deeply conditioned to try and keep up and do things in the way that other people do. Even just the way we move, the way we move through life is just deeply conditioned.

Karly Nimmo:

If we all had an understanding of how we all operated, and we knew that Projectors needed to be invited, and you had a Projector, and you could invite their guidance, and make them feel like there was value, then you create successful Projectors. A whole generation of Projectors who feel really confident in the guidance they can give. Then you create Generators who are really deeply connected to what brings them joy, and their unique expression in the world, and what they want to make and create. Then you’ve got Manifestors who are feeling peaceful, and impacting everyone, and helping to move the planet and its inhabitants forward. Then you’ve got Reflectors there reflecting back the process to us all. Imagine life when we are all free to express ourselves as the truth of who we are, it would be a pretty cool place.

Lisa Corduff:

It would be, and the people around us got why we did certain things in a certain way, and it wasn’t … it’s not a free pass, as a Manifestors, I still have to get up and do the same things day after day after day for my kids and all the stuff.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, absolutely.

Lisa Corduff:

But it’s more like living from the place of this is what feels most natural and good, and this is when I can tell when I’m feeling aligned, as opposed to-

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, and when I’m offtrack I can see, “Okay, yes.” Now, I can see I’m offtrack, and I can see why I’m offtrack, you know?

Lisa Corduff:

Yup.

Karly Nimmo:

Because beyond just understanding yourself, I think that’s the first step, understanding ourselves, but understanding our kids, understanding our partners, understanding our team, it’s game-changer.

Lisa Corduff:

Absolutely, game-changer, and we do this stuff. When we hire people in the business, we always do the Myers-Briggs, and there’s another one that we do, I’ve forgotten the name of it now, because that’s being replaced with Human Design.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, like the Roger Hamilton stuff, he used to do the … The Roger Hamilton stuff was really good for figuring out if someone was an entrepreneur, but Human Design can replace all of that, really.

Lisa Corduff:

Well, yeah, and knowing … It used to even be like, “Hey, what’s your love language?” So we could recognise them in the right way, but this is just on a absolute different level, and there is not one person who I’ve ever met, who’s been like, “Nah, that’s not me.” It’s literally never happened.

Karly Nimmo:

There’s often some disappointment for any type, I feel like, when they find out, particularly when I found out I was a Projector, and what all that meant. There was disappointment because I always thought that I was special, and being a Projector didn’t feel that special. It didn’t feel special to sit around and wait for people to recognise me. Now, it feels absolutely bloody amazing to sit around, and just do whatever I want, and know that people are going to recognise me, and invite me out. I don’t have to work for it. What amazing kind of dream life is this, and for a Manifestors it can be like, “Oh, my God, this is a lot of responsibility. I have to make everything happen for myself.” That’s a lot of weight to carry, or it can be, it can feel that way.

Karly Nimmo:

For a Generator, Generators are, they are not waiting to respond, they’re getting up in everyone’s business, and doing all the things that haven’t been … nobody’s asked them for, and then they’re getting all frustrated. It’s like … When we know we can come from a really empowered place, because at the end of the day, sitting on my ass, waiting for … and it’s not that I’m sitting on my ass doing nothing, waiting for recognition, I’m actually actively … Part of the projected trip is we need to be seen, and so I need to be making myself visible, but in ways that feel really good for me. For a Manifestors, there actually isn’t a better feeling than someone telling you the impact that you’ve had on them.

Lisa Corduff:

Like creating something is my drug of choice. Just actually kicking something off, seeing it out in the world, it’s the reason why I keep creating stuff.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, totally.

Lisa Corduff:

Because it’s what feels best to me, and it does. It does blow my mind that here I am, in the business. We talked about just wanting to light each woman up from the inside, and I see that as probably what I’ve done best over the years, is just create a business that is the vehicle for people to get involved, understand themselves on a slightly different level, and I don’t have to hold their hand all the way to Utopia, and I just have to help them see that something different is possible for them, and they give themselves a yes, and that has an impact, and a ripple effect, and it feels so nice.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, 100%.

Lisa Corduff:

But we talk a lot about, because … There’s also huge amounts of times when I would doubt myself or doubt that something’s going to work, or I wonder why people have responded in a certain way, or anything that I put up on social media that’s really revealing of myself, or the filter is down and it’s the most me that I can be, is not a place I always want to be, but it’s the biggest shit that works in terms of giving people the chance to get involved in the conversation. Sometimes I can get resentful of that, like I’ve got other things, I’ve written this very helpful information or something like that, but it’s not … it’s like, “No, give us a little bit of that.” You’ve helped me understand that aura thing a little bit more, like if people are drawn to it, they will be drawn to it, and if not they’ll go away.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, they’ll be repelled, 100%.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, but sometimes I’m like, “Is there a secret to growing a business that is not me?” I guess, do you know what I mean?

Karly Nimmo:

Well, yeah, but the key to the success of that business is you feeling at peace, you know?

Lisa Corduff:

Yes, and I think that is when you know something’s … well, that’s when I know something’s off. If I start to get resentful of the business, or myself, or anything in the world, and I start to get a little bit crossed that there’s an expectation that I have to do something, I’ll do the exact opposite. Exact opposite. But we talk a lot, and you have quite a lot of Manifestors friends, because, I guess, some of us do end up in the entrepreneurial space, and I know you’re going to be creating some resources and stuff, because what do you think if someone … Hopefully, people switched this off, went and found out what they were, and came back and listened to this, but you see, and so for the Manifestors who are listening, what do you most hope for them? What would you see are the things that most get in their way?

Karly Nimmo:

What I want most for the Manifestors is for them to be completely lit up, because when they are on fire then everybody else is thriving. For me, and I think the reason I have a lot of Manifestors around me, is because my message is very much about being you, that’s all of you, all of the messy bits. The reason people resonate the most with those post of yours that feel uncomfortable, is because that is you, that is you, we’re all this wonderful tapestry of vulnerability, and all the things that make up a human. But most of us are putting on some kind of front because all of us isn’t welcomed everywhere. It’s really not, but people want to connect to what is true and real. When you drop all of those stories, and the layers that are holding you back from expressing yourself, in a way that’s really true for you, then you have the ability to really impact everyone around you.

Karly Nimmo:

It doesn’t matter what type you are, really, when you are coming from the truth of who you are, everything changes, and the way people are going to … Just you being you is of huge service to everyone around you, whether that is your children, because you’re not going through life feeling resentful and bitter, or frustrated, or overlooked, or whatever. If they’re seeing you kick goals and be who you are, then it’s giving, I don’t know, it’s just like a good energy to be around. It’s giving them permission. This is the whole thing, just being the truth of who you are just has such a greater impact than following any kind of rule book. Manifestors, I want just them all to throw the rule book out the window, and just really come into a place where they’re giving themselves permission to dream really big, and to have the impact that they know they’re here to have, but have been holding themselves back from.

Lisa Corduff:

I think over the years with our friendship, and you as a Projector, I can see how it have been frustrating for me to go down paths of doing things away I thought things should be done. You are always like, “Lisa, Lisa, you don’t have to follow the formula, and do all of this sort of stuff, that’s actually not for you,” and I’m like, “No, no, I mean, this blah, blah.”3 Then being told that you are, as a Manifestors, you are the thing, is actually, in terms of that conditioning, it’s actually something you run away from.

Lisa Corduff:

It’s easier to go, “Oh, surely not, surely my ideas aren’t that good. Oh, surely this is just something. I mean, this is so easy for me, I don’t know why other people would care.” Because we’re … I think that’s what you were talking about with the conditioning, it’s actually, as a woman, not something that we naturally stand in, and have found little confidence in. I think this world that we live right now is that whole silver bullet approach like, “Do this in this way, get this result, blah, blah, blah,” and that’s safe. It’s safe to believe that for everyone. Everyone wants-

Karly Nimmo:

Then it’ll work in some respects because there will be an element of initiating involved in that for you as a Manifestors. Everything that you do, that’s initiating with another person is going to have some kind of impact. One of the things that I tell Manifestors to do is walk around the shopping centre, and just notice people moving out of your way, just notice your energy and how it actually moves people out of the way. When I go to a supermarket sometimes, sometimes the fucking automatic door doesn’t even open for me.

Lisa Corduff:

Stop it. Stop it.

Karly Nimmo:

I’m like …

Lisa Corduff:

No, you’re lying.

Karly Nimmo:

No, but, well, I’m kind of being a little bit cheeky, but it’s true. It is true, but sometimes it’s like I feel completely invisible, and then all of a sudden I recognise, “Oh, that person just felt me penetrating with my energy.” Then it’s like, “Oh, sorry, you are there. Oh, okay,” but they hadn’t even noticed until they felt me, they felt me before they saw me. It’s the same for a Manifestors, but in a different way, just go and test out your aura, see what happens when you’re out and about, do people move out of your way? Because the whole thing about Human Design is it’s just an experiment. This is what I love about it, is you’ve got all of this information, and there’s so many layers because all we’re talking about right now is type.

Lisa Corduff:

And there is so many different layers, but can you just hold on one second, and I’m going to come right back. Hold on one second. Sorry for that little break, we are back, and you were about to just launch into?

Karly Nimmo:

I was just about to say the whole thing, I think the thing I love the most about Human Design, is the fact that it’s really called the Human Design Experiment. All of this information is amazing. It’s amazing to know all this stuff about you, but where the magic comes in is when we start experimenting with it, when we start, like as a Projector, going back, and one of the most powerful things I did was to go back, and have a look when I felt success. When did I feel success? What were the commonalities between those moments? I could clearly see that, number one, I had no expectation around things, which is really important for a Projector, expectations, not good.

Lisa Corduff:

So many teary phone calls.

Karly Nimmo:

Oh, my God, so many, so many. So let go of all expectations if you’re a Projector, it will make you much happier. Also, I could see that there was recognition in that space, because as a Projector, it’s not that I’m just here to sit and wait, like I said before, but it is about noticing what am I currently being recognised for. Where is that recognition? That can just help us to come back into track, and then I could also see that, “Yeah, the things that have really worked, there’s been some kind of invitation.”

Karly Nimmo:

So, for a Generator, have a think, “When do I feel satisfied? What are the through lines there? Is it because,” and it will depend because every type has different authorities, so if you are a Generator you may be sacral, which means you have a yes or no in the moment respond, or you may be emotional. But having a think about like, “Did I initiate that, or did somebody asked something of me? Did somebody asked me for my opinion? Did somebody … How was I in response here? What’s happened when I’ve had an idea and just initiated off my own back? Has it worked? Has it left me feeling successful? Has it left me feeling frustrated?”

Karly Nimmo:

The same for Manifestors, having a think, “When do I feel peace? When have I felt anger?” Likely you’ll feel anger if you haven’t initiated something because you’re not here to wait to be invited. You’re not here to respond. You’re here to have your own ideas, and step forward from that, not the waiting. As an emotional Manifestors, there is a certain amount of waiting, you’re waiting for clarity, but you’re not waiting for somebody else. It’s really important, you are never waiting for somebody else. As a Reflector, “Am I feeling disappointed because I haven’t given myself enough time? Have I not waited the full month? Have I not given myself that amount of time to come to a decision? Have I just kind of rushed in? Am I feeling disappointed now?” Have a think about those times where you felt pleasantly surprised, what were the themes there?

Karly Nimmo:

For me, that has really solidified, and it could just be confirmation bias, to be honest, but it worked. It feels like it works for me, so then I know, “Okay, well, this is true for me right now.” Quite a change, but right now it’s true for me to show up, be who I am, love what I do, be mastering systems, immersing myself in my own research and sharing what I see because the Projectors, we’re here to observe, and we’re here to tell people what we see. So that’s what I do, I share a lot of my insights, and there’s elements of my chart too, because none of our chart lives in a vacuum, and we all have, not just our type, but then we all of these beautiful things that make us these really intricate, completely individualised human beings, here for very specific reasons.

Lisa Corduff:

Yup. I was just thinking then, people are going to think this is just the four types, but it is so much more than that, because then there’s the lines, and then there’s open centres, closed centres, and then there’s what matches up.

Karly Nimmo:

Channels.

Lisa Corduff:

The channels, and I was just even thinking-

Karly Nimmo:

Profiles, incarnation, crosses, where the planets were, in which gate, where your arrows point, it’s so-

Lisa Corduff:

It’s so complex, so you might be a … I’m a Manifestors, but I’m a line … I don’t even know.

Karly Nimmo:

You’re a 2-6.

Lisa Corduff:

2-6.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah.

Lisa Corduff:

Which means?

Karly Nimmo:

It means that you’re a role model for one part, which is like-

Lisa Corduff:

And a hermit.

Karly Nimmo:

And a hermit. The hermit, but the hermit is also the natural, so the hermit is really there to be in their own space, doing their own thing. They don’t necessarily know what they’re good at, or why they’re good at anything, so if you ask them … I think of like there’s a house analogy for the lines, but the second line is you are on the bottom floor of a house, in your little magical world, doing all your little creative things that you’re doing, and while you are in that space, it’s just you, you’re in your own world. But what you don’t realise is there’s this glass panel between you and a busy street, and so people are walking past going, “Oh, what is she doing? Oh, look, look at that. Oh, knock, knock, knock on the glass. Excuse me. What are you doing? Can you show me how to do that? That looks really,” and you’re like, “I have no fucking idea what I’m doing. I don’t know how I do this.” Because you’re just naturally gifted at things.

Karly Nimmo:

The second line can be, there’s also a little bit of projection that can happen on the second line too. There’s that like, “I’m hermit,” gets called out of the cave, so the hermit likes to be on their own, in their own energy, in their own creative world, but they will be called out regularly to bring their gifts and that out.

Karly Nimmo:

Then the sixth line is the role model, and the role model has three phases, and you are in the second phase at the moment, so first 30 years, very experimental, big life, done lots of things. Second 20 years is on the roof, so basically you’ve lived this big first 30 years, the next, you climb up onto the roof of a house, because the six lines are an analogy of the house. From that roof, you get a higher perspective on things, it can be a little bit aloof too in nature, because it’s processing and integrating, and embodying all of the wisdom that you’ve created throughout or that you’ve experienced throughout your life. Then, after 50, you kind of come off and you’re the sage, but everyone is always looking up to you because you’re the role model. It doesn’t matter whether you’re in that first, second, third phase, but it’s not like you wait till 50 until life starts.

Lisa Corduff:

That pissed me off, because that’s what I heard.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, that pisses a lot of people off.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, I’m like, “What do you mean?”

Karly Nimmo:

What people here is wait until you’re 50, and then everything will start happening.

Lisa Corduff:

It will all come together after 50. It will all make sense. Because I’m always trying to figure out, well, how to help, or how to put things in ways that will help people, but I’m doing it as I’m learning, never as an idea that I am actually a role model, or that I have any fountain of knowledge in any specific way. It’s just more, “I’m trying this. You want to try? I’ve done this, this worked for me. You want to have a crack?” But I think like, “This is maybe why I can’t decide on what a book will be about,” because maybe it’s just not clear to me yet because it just hasn’t become clear to me yet.

Karly Nimmo:

Right, which is partly being emotional because clarity is going to come over time, and there is a timing aspect to the emotional. They’re always going to do things in their own amount of time. You can’t rush. You can’t rush it, and if you do rush it, it’s not going to be what it could be, and probably be actually quite anger-inducing. So you wait until clarity, and then when clarity lands then you move, and when you move it’s going to be fast, swift, and you know?

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, when it happens, it happens.

Karly Nimmo:

It happens, exactly. Exactly. But that’s the hardest part, I think, sometimes, particularly for a Manifestors, can be that waiting till the inspiration strikes, and now go.

Lisa Corduff:

When I naturally want to go all the time, I literally can’t.

Karly Nimmo:

You can’t.

Lisa Corduff:

I feel like the line-

Karly Nimmo:

Well, you can, but you end up with shingles, and that kind of fun stuff.

Lisa Corduff:

I think about how, until that recent 30 days product I created, it was really 2019 when I created Ready For Change, and Live The Change, were my last actual creating and building out a programme, and I think about why emotionally I couldn’t bring creativity or clarity to work projects in the two years following Nick’s death, and all of that stuff. It’s sort of, “Yeah,” I kept on wanting that emotional, that bit to land because it used to be so easy for me to think, “Oh, my God, we can blah, blah,” and then blah, blah would exist a month or two later. I just have not felt that. My whole emotional being has been in processing something. My doorbell was just rung, so just hold on, hold on one second.

Karly Nimmo:

Okay, no worries.

Lisa Corduff:

I have a guest. Okay, another break and we’re back again.

Karly Nimmo:

Where were we? I have no idea what … We’re talking about emotional clarity and how-

Lisa Corduff:

Emotional clarity, yes.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, and how the last couple of years have been really hard for you to create.

Lisa Corduff:

Yes.

Karly Nimmo:

Until the clarity comes, and then you’re like, “Boom, let’s go.”

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, 30 days was created in 10 days, from start to finish, and when that happens, honestly it’s like the biggest natural high ever. So, okay, let’s … because we’re going to have to wrap this up because I could talk all day.

Karly Nimmo:

So could I clearly.

Lisa Corduff:

Clearly, and I think if I just … What I wanted this podcast episode to be was, I guess, just that Human Design exists, that it’s there. If you haven’t heard about it, it could be a really interesting line of inquiry about yourself.

Karly Nimmo:

Totally.

Lisa Corduff:

At the end of the day, people who are listening to this podcast are interested in themselves, and living better, and I think that level of self-acceptance and choosing based on my design, what that illuminated for me, is making my life just feel so much easier, every single aspect of it, and understanding the people around me as well, so illuminating. So, if people want to find out a bit more, we’ll obviously put links to you and where people can find you, and those podcasts, and lots of stuff. So, is there anything else you want to share about what you do to people?

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah. Well, firstly, I think the number one place to connect with me is probably Instagram, because I am on there so actively, so definitely do that. The other thing, I often or I just, a couple of months ago, ran an introduction to Human Design session, which was so awesome, so I’m definitely going to run those again. I run an introduction, like a foundations so you can learn about … the aim of that is with me, even if I’m doing a one-to-one reading, my aim is to give you enough information so that then you can go. It’s not like a, “So you’re the kind of person who blah, blah, blah,” but without any understanding to why that is, you know what I mean?

Karly Nimmo:

Sometimes you’ll go to these things and they’ll say, “I can see you are a person who really loves researching things, and is very experimental.” I don’t want to … I want you to understand that, but I want you to understand why, so that then you can go with your chart, go and pull your kids’ charts, go and pull your partner’s chart, go and pull the people around you so that you can get a … so you’ve got enough of a foundation to understand who they are too. I run these little workshops, they’re like 50 bucks to come, and there’s Foundations 1, and a Centres 1, and I’m just finishing off the touches on a Manifestors, a specific one. I’m thinking I’m going to run Generator-specific ones, Projector-specific ones too, but they’re a really good way to get in and just learn, because it is, it’s like a whole new language. When you first look at your chart it meant absolutely nothing.

Lisa Corduff:

Nothing. Nothing to me. It’s not even …

Karly Nimmo:

There’s nothing, there’s nothing you can … it’s a bunch of numbers with little dots next to them, a whole bunch of symbols, and then triangles with lines and squares, and it makes no sense.

Lisa Corduff:

I do think it’s becoming more and more popular.

Karly Nimmo:

It definitely is.

Lisa Corduff:

As people are discovering it, and they’re telling people about it, “This is really cool” I remember getting it done for my boyfriend, and what I actually loved about your reading was that because you actually understand how people … For him, really important to understand the context because he was suss on it from the outset because, “What the hell?”

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, a lot of people that come to me are like, “I really want to know this, but it’s just too woo, like it’s too-

Lisa Corduff:

It’s too woo, yeah. He comes from the corporate world of, really next level kind of straightness. Well, no, more, he’s done … he even, I think, is someone who can do one of the personality type tests, and all of that stuff, so he thinks he understands everything about human nature. I’m like, “Mate, let’s just introduce you to Human Design, and let’s talk about that.” I loved the way you delivered it, because he needs to understand the context or whatever his line was, whereas for me I’m like, “No, no, no, you can just get straight to,” like I need to understand it, but I also don’t really, I just need to understand exactly what pertains to me, and just make it that as simple as possible in what do I do with this. Whereas some people need to understand.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, 100%, and that’s in a chart. That’s in a chart.

Lisa Corduff:

If you looked at his chart-

Karly Nimmo:

If I’m going to read for a first line-

Lisa Corduff:

Your first line, so what … You’re going to need to understand, I’m sure you’re looking at this going, “Blah, blah, blah,” and he was for sure doing that. I loved how you … It helps you figure out how to teach and connect with people.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, 100%.

Lisa Corduff:

Because of the insights it gives you on the human being.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, and even as a coach, and particularly even as a podcast coach, it’s like I can see that all of a sudden … The things that I used to take personally, so we would have a session, and then the person would go away, and they’d be really clear and, “Yes, yes, yes,” and then they go away and they do nothing with that information. They come back and they go, “Oh, well, I went away and I thought about it for a while, and I sat with it and I thought maybe not.” Then to discover that person was emotional just made so much sense, because then it would be like, “Okay, you’re feeling clear now, just sit with it for a few days and see what happens, because you’ll find clarity will come over time.”

Lisa Corduff:

It really is so fascinating, so thank you for sharing.

Karly Nimmo:

No worries.

Lisa Corduff:

I hope that people are, well, I mean, I’m sure that they’re curious because we’re all curious about ourselves, and they can go and find out, and then follow you. The stuff that you are sharing is amazing, and just helpful, and then those workshops sounds so good. I’ll totally be signing up for the Manifestors one, I literally cannot learn enough about this. But, I also do, definitely think for our team, being able to help with the dynamics of that, having someone who is a person, so I’m all the ideas, and Karly is then just like, “Oh, yes, so is she literally inviting me to do this? Hang on, I can respond to what Lisa’s discussing now.”

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, right.

Lisa Corduff:

I’m just like, “Karly, you got to do something with this Human Design stuff. You’re so freaking good at it.” So, I’m just throwing you ideas all the time.

Karly Nimmo:

You are, and I really appreciate it because as a Projector I can’t see myself. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s of value. I don’t know. So it is really handy to have, that’s how we all play our role. When you are initiating, and not holding yourself back, and not biting your tongue because you really want to say something, but you’re like, “Oh, I don’t know if I should, or how that’s going to land, blah, blah, blah,” then what you’re actually doing is denying the person of some huge impact.

Lisa Corduff:

But as a kid, my mom said, “Your biggest lesson, Lisa, is to think before you speak.” I was like, “Yes, yes, yes,” because I would just say things. Even my son, the other day, because he’s got to do a presentation at school today, he goes, “How do you just go on Facebook Live and just talk nonstop?” I’m like, “Well, mate, I actually don’t know how I do that,” but I think it might be just one of the things you are … You’ve got things that you are really good at, I think that just talking might be my thing.

Karly Nimmo:

Yeah, totally.

Lisa Corduff:

He’s just not getting that. Anyway, thank you, Karly.

Karly Nimmo:

No worries, my pleasure. Yes. Yes, hit Stop, Record.

Lisa Corduff:

Okay, we’ll send people your way. Thanks for everything. Hey, if you are enjoying the conversation, then it would mean the world to me if you head over to iTunes, and give us a rating and review. It really makes a difference, and it’s my intention to get as many of us involved in real conversations that really change the game as possible. Thanks so much for your help, and I’ll see you in the next episode.

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