CwL Ep102: Stories of Change with Sacha Russo 

Lisa Corduff:

Hey, it’s Lisa Corduff. Welcome to the podcast where you can expect inspiring, raw, energising, and transformative conversations with people on the path of personal evolution. I’m here to really live my life. And if you are too, these conversations are just for you. I’m really glad you’re here. Enjoy.

Lisa Corduff:

I’m excited today to speak to Sacha, someone who I haven’t seen for a while, but was a regular on my screens on the Zoom calls for quite a long time. And I love checking in and it’s so funny, just like, as we were saying hello, she said something really, really interesting. Because I was like, well, so what’s happened now? What are you doing now? Where are things at? How are you?

Lisa Corduff:

And Sacha said, “Well, isn’t it funny when you get into the practise of stepping outside your comfort zone and you just keep doing the things and stuff keeps evolving,” which is really one of the core themes of what I teach, which can also be deeply uncomfortable, let’s be honest. But let’s say hello to Sacha and welcome to the podcast.

Sacha Russo:

Hi, Lisa, lovely to be here.

Lisa Corduff:

I think it’s always good when we have these conversations, because I just want to dive into all of the exciting things that you’re doing now, but I think it’s great to go back to where you were at, where you were feeling stuck in your life. What made you say yes to Ready For Change? Because your stories, you have really just… There has been so much transformation in your life. But tell me, it’s almost like I need to remember where Sacha was at when she first joined Ready For Change. Can you remember that person?

Sacha Russo:

I can remember that person. I was really overwhelmed. I was really depleted. I was really unhappy and I was a victim of my circumstances.

Lisa Corduff:

What were those circumstances? What did life look like?

Sacha Russo:

Life looked like, so I think that was the first round of Ready For Change in 2019. So at that point, we’d been living where we currently are for a couple of years and we’d moved around quite a bit up until that point. And so I’d take you back a little bit. When my first born was six months old, we moved to live in the Middle East, in Dubai for a couple of years. And the global financial crisis occurred and then lots of people lost their jobs. So we headed back home and it was an awesome experience. Loved Dubai, loved the friendships, and learning a new culture, but it was also a hard place to be for a first time mom.

Sacha Russo:

And we also had two miscarriages while we were living there, away from family and things like that. So that was… In amongst all the beautiful things and the experiences, there were some really hard times as well. And then we moved back to Australia and we ended up in Sydney where we had our second baby and then moved again about 18 months later, back to Brisbane where we lasted about another 18 months, and then landed where we are now in like a regional area of Australia.

Sacha Russo:

So I was very much used to living in cities, living overseas, living a very independent life within our family unit, corporate city holidays, and that sort of thing. And so then when we moved here, it was a regional area, small town, quite hard to meet new people. And I had started over so many times that I was just over it and it wasn’t really a place I pictured myself being. And we arrived here and I was seven weeks pregnant with our third. So I was just kind of done, really.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah. Mama is done with this. Cannot make any more effort, cannot establish ourselves again. This feels really hard.

Sacha Russo:

Yeah.

Lisa Corduff:

What am I doing here?

Sacha Russo:

Yeah, exactly. And the big change was we moved from doing corporate things to then being involved in a family business. And so that was a very big change for us going from having weekends and weeknights and holidays, to my husband working huge hours and just us not really seeing him. And I struggled with that, my children struggled with that. And trying to navigate our new normal, and the balance between family and business, and feeling almost like we now came second as opposed to first priority. So it was really interesting times to navigate in our family and knowing that it needed to work, like what we decided to do needed to work. And so I was at a point of something needs to change. And it needs to change with me.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

Because if I remember, long before I joined Ready For Change, I was listening to your podcast and something you said to me was you… well, not to me, but on your podcast.

Lisa Corduff:

I said it exactly to you Sacha, I recorded that for you.

Sacha Russo:

I know. Because at least that’s how you talk, it resonates. And you feel like that you are speaking to the person at the other end, but I remember you is saying that you may not always enjoy or really want to be in the place that, “You’re at or living, but resisting being where you are is just going to really make things so much harder for yourself. So what can you do to accept where you are right at this point in your life?” So for me, that was like, just those little tweaks to your mindset.

Sacha Russo:

So I was in a whole state of hurt really, before Ready For Change. And I just wasn’t the mum, the wife, the woman, the friend, that I wanted to be, knew I could be, or envisioned myself to be. And so I started looking outside of, I guess, the usual places. And because none of those sort of things were working.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

And it was through actually being in small steps with you and I joined not for the food or anything because I felt like I had that. But it was more of all those other things that you started to offer and it was small steps back to you that then started. And then I ended up in Ready For Change. And yeah, so much has changed since then.

Lisa Corduff:

Isn’t it amazing how you can just hear something and it can land in a moment and it can change the entire trajectory of things. And it’s funny that you bring that up, the resistance and the, “If you don’t like where you are.” I literally, as I just shared with you half an hour ago, got off a call with the Live The Change crew, the coaching calls, fortnightly coaching calls that we do.

Lisa Corduff:

And we were talking about this exact thing. It’s an ongoing thing where we want something to be a different way. But if we could just actually accept that it is what it is, that’s where our power lies. We lose our power when we are constantly ruminating about what we prefer it to look like, hating the fact that it’s this and not this. And I used to have this and now I don’t have that. Like that’s cool. Think about that all you want, but you will never feel powerful as long as you are doing that. Because every decision you make, every thought that you think is happening in the present moment.

Lisa Corduff:

So, bring yourself back there. This is what we are dealing with. This is where you are. So, what are we going to do from there? And I literally, yeah, it’s a constant practise because I think so many of us can get into that victimy kind of talk, like this is all happening to me. It’s not what I want. And for me it still happens. I still… In September, it will be three years since Nick died and I can still absolutely be like, this is not what I wanted. Like what do you mean I’m doing this? I don’t want to make decisions for high schools by myself. I don’t want to do all of that stuff.

Lisa Corduff:

Why am I the only one deciding if she needs braces? Like, but it doesn’t… I can have it, I can have the moment, but then I need to come back to what is and all of our power lies in the what is. Okay, so you were like, you were just I mean, FTS, fuck this shit. I don’t know why I’m doing this. And you also… Can we also just recognise that that stage of mothering is depleting and tough in and of itself, let alone moving every 18 months, moving away from a life that you probably quite liked and felt like you thrived amongst to something really, really different.

Lisa Corduff:

That is a lot. So can we also just acknowledge it’s okay to feel really gross, really like it’s all tough in those moments. Tell me about what happened then. How RFC was a bit of a turning point for you. What did you realise doing that programme or what was some of your little light bulb moment moments?

Sacha Russo:

One of my biggest takeaways was in the values training exercise that you do quite early on. And I remember there’s so much just in that little part of RFC, but it was talking about integrity and I’m sitting there going, “Yep, I’m integral woman. I live with integrity,” and then you began talking about self integrity and then I’m like, “Wow,” okay, self integrity and what all that entails. And then I’m like, “Oh my goodness, this is why I’m so miserable,” because I would do all the things I would say for everybody else.

Sacha Russo:

I would commit to everybody and do all the things but I was lacking commitment and action towards the things that I wanted for myself in my life. And if you’re operating from a place like that all of the time, of course your life isn’t how you thought it was going to be because you’re operating for everybody else and not yourself. That’s been a game changer for me. It’s my number one value, it still is because one of those things that you learn is that it’s not a once and done.

Lisa Corduff:

No.

Sacha Russo:

You can keep reevaluating and changing what your values were in your 20s, aren’t the same as your 30s, aren’t the same as your 40s and on and on and on. And the different stages of your life, you know? What my values were prior to a mom and what they are now, and now that my children are growing up and going through their different seasons of childhood, my values changed for what I want for them as well. And there’s that whole letting go. So self integrity was a really big [crosstalk 00:13:19]-

Lisa Corduff:

Isn’t it funny because once you sort of learn, it seems so obvious.

Sacha Russo:

Yes.

Lisa Corduff:

And the way that I often talk about it is, can you keep a promise to yourself and for people who haven’t done RFC, that might make more sense to them. If they haven’t kind of heard that term self integrity, but we can be so integral to the people around us. I mean, I am always on time for other people. Like I hate running late and yet I might just say to myself, “Well, today we’ll go for a walk,” and I’ll find all the excuses in the world. I’m going to do that at one o’clock. Oh no, I’ll do it at 1:30. Oh no, oh my gosh, now it’s almost school pickup and I still haven’t finished writing that email. I’ve just got to do that.

Lisa Corduff:

If you are living your life breaking promises to yourself and out of integrity with yourself, you can never believe yourself. You can never believe that you’re going to do things that you say you’re going to do. You will just keep on prioritising everyone else or all of the things around you instead of just keeping a promise to yourself and you have to start small. Did you find that…

Lisa Corduff:

I remember when I was learning about that, I thought, okay, I’m just going to experiment with this because I felt like when I first heard that term, I was very out of integrity with myself, crossing my own boundaries all the time, saying that I was done with something and then doing it again, or allowing certain things, or saying that this is going to be the year of the this, and then just things falling off the radar completely or just not…

Lisa Corduff:

And then, you get to the point where you actually don’t think you’re capable of much, because you’ve never proved to yourself that you can say you’re going to do something and then follow through. So I just started really, really small.

Sacha Russo:

Yes. And I feel… and I think that’s the only way you can start, because if you start big, you’re going to crash and burn. Let’s face it.

Lisa Corduff:

Let’s face it.

Sacha Russo:

And where I was at the time, I could only manage small.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

And I think when you have operated in a way for such a long time, like years and years and years, and I’m talking even before being a mom, it takes time to change those habits, and thoughts, and rewiring your brain. And so for me, it was just the smallest, smallest things. And I remember learning about self integrity and I still to this, I remember sitting there going, I just felt like it right in my heart. And I still think, oh my goodness, so grateful that I learned that, but where would we all be if we operated from that place from much earlier right now?

Lisa Corduff:

We get so into self doubt also. I think sometimes, there’s so many reasons why we almost… well, we step out of our own power. We believe that there’s a right way to do things. We take on societal expectations instead of tuning in and just thinking, hang on now, what do I actually need right now? And what is my truth in this moment? And because, well, oh no, I mean, I couldn’t, I’m so lucky. I’m so blessed. I’m just… which we can be all of those things, but we can also have a level of dissatisfaction or we can be allowing certain things in our lives that aren’t actually cool but because…

Lisa Corduff:

If we constantly operating on this questioning, questioning, questioning ourselves and what is true for us, then we never actually fully step into being the person that we are. And I think the self integrity piece is a really beautiful muscle to start to build, because if we can promise ourselves that we can go for that walk, or we can not put the black forest chocolate into the supermarket trolley, just something like that, just one thing per week, then we can start to believe ourselves on the bigger stuff.

Lisa Corduff:

We can start to believe like, I can have that hard conversation. I’m going to bring this up and I’m going to say this. And then we start to just step into more and more of who we are. Just a beautiful thing. So was there any other light bulby things from RFC?

Sacha Russo:

There were so many really, but another really big one for me was boundaries and my complete lack of boundaries. And wondering why once again, life was just not how I wanted it to be. And when you operate from a place of very little to almost no boundaries, massive people pleaser.

Lisa Corduff:

People pleasing is a thing. Yes.

Sacha Russo:

You know? It absolutely is a thing.

Lisa Corduff:

So how did actually change? Give me an example of a boundary you put in place, or when you heard that, when you realised oh, okay, yep. All right, I’m doing things for other people all the time, 24/7 and I have no boundaries for Sacha. What did that precipitate then?

Sacha Russo:

So once again, really what were small things, it could have been even like that whole thing, because we are so on in society and we are so on in life and feeling like you needed to respond to that person in that moment. And maybe in that message, like your text or an email, you are not quite sure how you should respond to it. And I have a rule now I give myself at least 24 hours

Sacha Russo:

And because it’s amazing, the space, what space can give you, and how you might respond to something. And I just… And it’s also just saying no to things with boundaries. I just would… It was always a yes. Or answering to somebody straight away with request, or can we catch up, or can we do this, or can you just pick this up, or just really checking in with myself and boundaries around my energy. It was a massive, massive thing for me.

Sacha Russo:

I check in with my energy all of the time, all the time, whether it’s, you get an invitation, how do I feel about that? Is that somewhere that I want to spend my time, Is that going to add value to my life? Or am I saying yes, out of feeling the need to attend something because that’s what you do.

Lisa Corduff:

Gosh, it’s such a good… I mean, and literally just pausing, just pausing and asking yourself a question about it instead of immediate. So good. I mean, I love your 24-hour rule. That’s game changing.

Sacha Russo:

Yeah. In so many different things, not just a text. Just 24 hours, just give yourself the space because 24 hours is an amazing thing. And you know what, if you accidentally forget to reply, you accidentally forget to reply. It’s no big deal. And that’s the sort of thing, the overthinking, the over worrying, what’s someone going to think, and the judgement and… I mean, there’s so much wrapped up in the beautiful package that is ready for change, Lisa. There’s just so much gold in there, but yeah, boundaries and the values, and integrity, and my energy, and a responsibility being 100% responsibility is responsible for you.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

You are the only person that you have control over. You don’t even have control over your own children. They’re on their own journey. They will do what they want to do. You can help guide them and suggest things. And obviously as we go through different seasons of motherhood, I’ve got two in primary school still, but now I’ve got a teenager and that’s a whole different ball game. And it’s really also taught me whole concept around letting go. And that even letting go doesn’t mean that you don’t love them as much. It’s just part of the journey, it’s part of adolescence, it’s part of them becoming who they are as kids. And I think for a lot of mums, it’s a lot around control. And if we just do all the things and tell them all the things, then they’re going to be okay, but we can’t protect them forever.

Lisa Corduff:

Damn it.

Sacha Russo:

Yes.

Lisa Corduff:

What you mean? No, I totally, yeah. And I think that is something that we talk about a lot in the RFC and LTC communities is like, how do you love without control, without trying to fix, with your own personal boundaries around what that means? And they are always such interesting conversations because we find it challenging. We naturally find those things challenging. So much about us just wants to manage our own anxieties by controlling others. And it’s just does not work that way. So tell me then, all of this stuff, what has happened for Sacha since?

Sacha Russo:

Since Ready For Change, I think it’s just encouraged me to invest in me, to invest in myself, whether that be in a course, in time for me, tapping back into who I was before I was a mom and how I’ve changed since becoming a mom. And now, what is it that I want for myself, for my children, for my husband, and how can we achieve all of that? How can we all feel good and live and thrive in life? There’s always ups and downs and bumps in the road, but how can we build this vision that we want for ourselves? And so there’s lots of nos I say, if it’s not a hell yes, it’s a hell no. Or my husband would say another word in front of the no, but-

Lisa Corduff:

Might start with F-

Sacha Russo:

F.

Lisa Corduff:

… I might use it too, yep.

Sacha Russo:

Having some really hard conversations has really shifted and changed things for us in all different relationships in our life. I was just so fearful of what might happen or how I would be seen. And honestly, I wish I’d just had the conversations a lot earlier.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

What Ready For Change did for me was, I was saying the same things, for example, to my husband over and over again. We’ve got quite a good relationship. We’ve got really good communication, but there was a period of time where we just couldn’t get things to work the way we wanted them to, in all different aspects of our life, and we were both really struggling with that. And what Ready For Change did was, it literally gave me the language of how to help it land. I felt like I was almost saying the same thing, but it was landing in a different way.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah.

Sacha Russo:

So it’s helped just in my communication, in my relationship, with my marriage, it’s helped in my communication with family and friends. And even in the way, like your word is your wand, the words you use in your life and the words you use with your children have a massive impact. So, being really mindful of what you speak, but also that mind chatter in your brain, because you might not say it out loud, but if you’re thinking it, you may as well be saying it.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah. I think sometimes I love that you’re sharing all of this. And I’d like you also to say just even in terms of what this has meant for you in terms of the work you’re doing and all of that sort of stuff as well now. But I think a lot of women and I get asked this a lot, we get asked in the inbox whenever we launch Ready For Change. “Things aren’t great with my husband, but I don’t want to leave him.” They get worried that if they grow, or if they work on themselves, or that maybe if they start to feel good, that it will be the end of their relationship.

Lisa Corduff:

And I would just so like, I mean, I must say, there’s been some people and I don’t know if it was even in your time in LTC where people like, this really doesn’t work anymore and I’ve tried all the things. So I’m going to make my next best choice, which is to move out of this relationship. But like 99% of people who do this, find it extraordinarily helpful for their marriages or partnerships because they thought that whole thing about it just takes one person to change your relationship. So what sort of happened with you and your husband? How has the shifts that you’ve made in yourself impacted your marriage?

Sacha Russo:

I think it’s just, we just really realised that we were very much on the same page, always have been in what we want in life, what we want for the kids and things, but it was all around just finding my voice and not only have I found my voice, but so has he. And watching his growth alongside my growth has just been a really beautiful thing to witness. And we are just so open to so many different things in life now. And accepting where we’re at and accepting what our beliefs are and that it doesn’t matter what everybody else wants to do or whatever everybody else thinks is the right path or the right decision to make in certain areas. We are very sure now of what we want and how we’re going to get there.

Lisa Corduff:

So good. And so many times, having the language is the thing that holds us back, or we get caught in certain patterns of relating. And sometimes we just need to, we need a little shake up to the patterns and which is normal. It’s a totally normal thing, but when it stops moving people forward, or resentment creeps in, or confusion kicks in, it’s so good to have new words. So, what about the work that you are doing now and the path that you’ve gone down with that?

Sacha Russo:

Yeah, so probably a number of years before I started Ready For Change, I had an idea of wanting to be a life coach, but at that point I was like, thoughts, what have I got to offer? Those sorts…

Lisa Corduff:

Stories, stories, stories.

Sacha Russo:

Stories, stories. And then I just got a lot of clarity around what it was that I wanted to do. I’d done lots of different things in the past. I had started off thinking I wanted to do interior design and things like that. And then reading one of the books, the giant leap, the big leap.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, the big leap.

Sacha Russo:

And I was just like, “Oh, wow.” I worked out that I wanted to do life coaching all around what is your zone of genius? So since Ready For Change, in 2020, I enrolled in beautiful year life coaching academy, and I did that. And then towards the end of those studies, I sort of launched myself on Instagram and I also enrolled myself in Mama Rising, which is Amy Taylor-Kabbaz’s programme because I knew my field of what I wanted to life coach in was with moms.

Sacha Russo:

I’m really passionate on moms’ wellbeing and having that life that we all really deserve. So I went on and I studied Mama Rising, and I’ve just been working with women, one to one coaching, but I’m also developing a programme to encourage that, we’ve lost our community and our village, and our sense of belonging. There are a lot of women I’ve discovered who, they might even be surrounded by people but they still feel lonely. Or, moms like me who have moved around a lot. And it is quite hard, the more moves you do to break in and create new friendship groups.

Sacha Russo:

But I’ve also discovered through… And it’s constantly a work in progress what I do. And that’s what I coach the women that I work with now. It’s just one small thing. And my main focus for women is, I have a really strong passion around foundations in the importance of values and boundaries, surprise, surprise. And then sprinkles of the wisdoms of Matrescence shared through my coaching with those women, because there’s so much that’s not spoken about that we go through in motherhood.

Sacha Russo:

And Matrescence really shines a really big light on understanding yourself, so much more compassion for you, compassion for other women and other mothers, understanding your own mum, and your relationship with your own mum. And I just really want to empower mums to reconnect to the true self and to really guide them to achieve their personal goals, no matter what that is, because I just really believe that your vision for your life is, could be very different to mine and that’s okay. But we all deserve to live a life that we thrive in and not just survive in.

Lisa Corduff:

100%. Aren’t those lucky women to be working with you? Because I actually see you know, that whole self integrity thing up, you always showed up in the programmes. I actually see you as a person with a lot of integrity. You wouldn’t offer something you couldn’t absolutely deliver on, and you would show up for those women and the work that you are doing 150%. So we’ll make sure that there’s links for everyone to go and follow you. Because I think you also, I remember talking to you about this in LTC, that there’s unique things about your story.

Lisa Corduff:

And, we can feel like a lot of people who go into the life coaching thing or entertain the idea, have that same thought of, but what, I mean, I don’t know enough. They should just read Brene Brown’s Atlas of the Heart, come on, just go do, go. And surely, they’ll sort it all out, but I think that what separates everyone and what gives people who are seeking a guide for that particular stage of their life, or a mentor, or a coach, is like, do you get me? I want to feel like you get me.

Lisa Corduff:

And you needed to bring that story of ex-pat living, moving around all the time, the people pleasing, the lack of boundaries into your story so that people could connect with and go, “Oh my gosh, she’s exactly my person.” And when you feel that, isn’t that a beautiful thing when you feel that, and you go, “That’s my next step.” So the more Sachas who get over all of the stories that are holding them back from serving in a really powerful way, the better. And it’s not about being the right person for everyone, it’s about being the right person for the people who need you. And-

Sacha Russo:

And I think too, you can read, you can read a book or you can download [crosstalk 00:37:04]-

Lisa Corduff:

Listen to a podcast.

Sacha Russo:

Listen to a podcast, you can download a PDF, but how often do we give ourselves the space. One hour of fortnight to focus on yourselves. And we all have the answers within us. Coaching is just purely there to ask the questions that you know the answers to. You just may not have been given the opportunity or the space to really dig deep and reflect on, oh, I actually do know. And tapping into you, tapping into your intuition because we are so bombarded by so much information that we doubt ourselves. We doubt our inner knowing, turn off all the noise and reconnect back into ourselves. And you’ve got all your answers. You just need to give yourself the space and invest in the time to give yourself that because everybody deserves that.

Lisa Corduff:

Yeah, I do love what you said before about how something that RFC helped you with too was investing in yourself, permission to do that. And it’s honestly, I would say when we are launching, there’s all sorts of reasons that people tell themselves in their head that they can’t do it, but they verbalise often, they’ll respond to an email or a post on Facebook and just say, “I can’t, I feel too guilty investing in myself,” or “How could I do this? Family needs to get blah, blah,” or “The kids, I need to get them signed up for blah, blah, blah,” or, whatever it is.

Lisa Corduff:

I also get competing demands of a family budget for sure. But there’s this kind of blanket, me investing in myself is a selfish thing to do vibe. And I’ve spoken about it a few times in these stories of change because it’s something that the people who have joined have obviously gone, “Oh, no, hang on, no, I’m worth this. I know I need this. And I’m just going to make it work.” Whether that’s fire a payment plan, or even just having a conversation that feels hard in the moment with their partner and just like, “Hey, I’m going to be investing in this. And because it feels right.”

Lisa Corduff:

It’s a step towards recognising an inherent worthiness that I think we can lose a little bit, especially once we become a mom and our life starts to feel like it’s for everybody else, and not ourselves. It’s like a beautiful little pattern interrupter reminder that no, we get to… This is self care. This is your growth, which actually is really also good for everybody around you.

Sacha Russo:

Oh, 100%. And I think at the time, you don’t actually realise that. You think because if you really do, it’s oh, but this is for me, and this is only for me. But what you don’t realise when you invest in yourself, the positive flow on effects.

Lisa Corduff:

Yes.

Sacha Russo:

Everybody around you.

Lisa Corduff:

I bet you see that with your clients like they are showing up differently for all of their people.

Sacha Russo:

Yeah. And I love when you reflect back at me, you ask for some feedback on how your time has gone and you would see the same thing, the takeaways that they take away into their every day, that for you might be like something that you just do every day, but you just off the cuff shared it, but it’s made a profound impact in a positive way in their lives.

Lisa Corduff:

Yep. And isn’t it all about just showing up and communicating and just sharing. I mean, just before I was on a call with Mel, from my team. And she said, “Oh, you know what we tried, Sundays is our tidying up day,” and she’s got two sons. “And I decided to do it like the way that you said it, you know how you were saying how you guys do an hour of power? So I said, ‘All right, we’re putting on some music and we’re doing an hour of power.’ Well, Lisa, the house was spotless in an hour. Everyone had fun. We were working like a team.” I was like, “Oh, should I share that? Should more people know? I don’t know. I don’t know.”

Lisa Corduff:

The ways that you doing things, it just might spark something in someone else. And that’s why I get so passionate about women being visible and sharing. Even if they think it just might be the smallest thing. There’s so many of us out there. I mean, I love it from my mentors and the people who I am looking at, and watching, and learning from, and we just never know when we are that to someone else. And that might be a neighbour, that might be a mom at the school gates, that might be our siblings, our children, anyone.

Lisa Corduff:

So anytime we can just show up as the light, we have this positive ripple effect in the world. And I’m glad that that’s who you are being these days, that you took your boundaries, I mean, you created boundaries, you took back your power, you learned how to say, no, you are conscious of your energy and when it’s feeling depleted, and what might drain it, you are living with 100% responsibility for the life that you are living. And so you are making choices that serve you.

Lisa Corduff:

And the beautiful thing is like, what a cool outcome also that those choices are allowing you to do that for other women. I bloody love these stories of change. I love that, yeah. And I would say also, you get back what you put in. [crosstalk 00:43:29] And as a student, or as a member of a group, you were really active, you would ask questions, you were showing up for it, you got something because you were showing up. I think that there’s some people who think, oh, I’ll just invest. Oh, I need a life coach, I’ll just get a life coach, doesn’t mean you just, like the job is done in that moment.

Lisa Corduff:

And if that was the case, awesome, same thing with like, I follow really positive people on Instagram. And so my life is going to be positive. No, you have to show up and meet that so the universe knows like I’m here for this. And then you start to attract back all the good things. So I wanted to thank you because you did amazing sharing, amazing growth and transformation, and other people were witnessing that and were being impacted by you too. So thanks for showing up all that time.

Sacha Russo:

Well, thank you for developing the programme. And another thing that you don’t expect when you join something like that is witnessing the transformation of the other women. And what I have now seen, the women I went through with, what they’re now doing, and I guess the friendship that you strike up, I’ve not met a lot of them in person, but we also support each other in our businesses online.

Sacha Russo:

And it’s just such a beautiful thing. So thank you, Lisa, thank you for your authenticity, and your warmth, and your guidance, that you provide for so many women that reignites that flickering there that’s in their body into a beautiful bright flame that allows them to go out and know that they’re worthy of everything that they want in their life. So thank you because you do amazing things.

Lisa Corduff:

That’s just about to make me cry, so thank you for saying that. It’s my pleasure. And isn’t it nice when you, yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel like I’m the luckiest, I’m the lucky one to be able to meet people like you and work with you, and also know that I have this beautiful thing. I’m like, my work here is done because I’m not the person who’s going to be like, I think it’s a lovely thing when someone comes into your vortex and that there’s growth.

Lisa Corduff:

And then, my business is not about being the person for the person until the day that they die. It’s like, hey, I’m here for this part of your journey. This is what’s available. Join, come in, if it calls to you, and we’ll have a really good time, and then off you go. Go forth, find your next person, find… And I think, the beautiful Amy Taylor-Kabbaz and her Mama Rising stuff is so next level.

Sacha Russo:

It is, absolutely.

Lisa Corduff:

It’s amazing, and that needs to be [crosstalk 00:46:47]-

Sacha Russo:

[inaudible 00:46:47] of amazing women.

Lisa Corduff:

Oh, right. Amazing. Thank you, Sacha, for sharing your story, your beautiful words, via this podcast episode, inspiring other women to know that it can be different. They can feel differently, and that can happen step by step and in big light bulb moments too. So I really appreciate you sharing your story and I’m so happy for you. You look thrivy and fulfilled, so it’s really nice.

Sacha Russo:

Thanks, Lisa. It’s been an absolute pleasure.

Lisa Corduff:

Hey, if you want to learn exactly how to start moving through the stories that are keeping you stuck, and you want to delve into these self-defeating thinking patterns that so many of us have, then I’ve got a free workshop that you can go and watch right now. In it, I highlight some of the main stories that I see women telling themselves that often lead women into a spiral of self-sabotage.

Lisa Corduff:

You also learn how to let yourself off the hook a little bit more. When you understand how your brain is actually working to create this, then you feel a lot breezier about your life, trust me. In this workshop, you’ll also start moving towards the things that you want by the end. I absolutely promise you’ll have a new perspective on your next step forward, and that can be in any area of your life, where you feel stuck. I can’t wait for you to go and check it out. It’s totally free. The link is in the show notes, enjoy.

Lisa Corduff:

Hey, if you are enjoying the conversation, then it would mean the world to me if you head over to iTunes and give us a rating and review. It really makes a difference. And it’s my intention to get as many of us involved in real conversations that really changed the game as possible. Thanks so much for your help, and I’ll see you in the next episode.